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	<title>Comments on: The politics, pragmatics and promise of money</title>
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		<title>By: Hugh Barnard</title>
		<link>http://thememorybank.co.uk/2009/11/21/conversation-about-money/#comment-32201</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh Barnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this Keith. We met briefly about five years ago. I&#039;ve devoted a lot of my time, since leaving conventional finance in 2003 to deep financial reform. To me, money is &#039;only&#039; technology, either at the level of paper tokens used in Asian food centres and villages, scratched tallies of amounts of grain or all the bank/Wall Street/city computers. However technology isn&#039;t neutral, however much we may repeat that mantra, so the &#039;challenge&#039; is to fashion methods of exchange and value store that serves the planet [that&#039;s where we live, if we destroy it, this discourse is unnecessary] and all of us. 

I&#039;m not particularly interested in exact equality, it&#039;s illusory, I am interested in narrower gaps as in the recent book The Spirit Level. My view is classically scientific, we just have to experiment with alternative and complementary currencies until the &#039;right&#039; fire is lit from the tinder. Of course, the &#039;wrong&#039; fire may be lit, I think bitcoin is probably an example as are the local currencies that are 100% convertible and pegged to the national currency. However, as you have said, somewhere above, all these serve at least as thought experiments and educational exercises. Onwards and upwards, at least that&#039;s what we would hope!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this Keith. We met briefly about five years ago. I&#8217;ve devoted a lot of my time, since leaving conventional finance in 2003 to deep financial reform. To me, money is &#8216;only&#8217; technology, either at the level of paper tokens used in Asian food centres and villages, scratched tallies of amounts of grain or all the bank/Wall Street/city computers. However technology isn&#8217;t neutral, however much we may repeat that mantra, so the &#8216;challenge&#8217; is to fashion methods of exchange and value store that serves the planet [that's where we live, if we destroy it, this discourse is unnecessary] and all of us. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not particularly interested in exact equality, it&#8217;s illusory, I am interested in narrower gaps as in the recent book The Spirit Level. My view is classically scientific, we just have to experiment with alternative and complementary currencies until the &#8216;right&#8217; fire is lit from the tinder. Of course, the &#8216;wrong&#8217; fire may be lit, I think bitcoin is probably an example as are the local currencies that are 100% convertible and pegged to the national currency. However, as you have said, somewhere above, all these serve at least as thought experiments and educational exercises. Onwards and upwards, at least that&#8217;s what we would hope!</p>
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		<title>By: KingofthePaupers</title>
		<link>http://thememorybank.co.uk/2009/11/21/conversation-about-money/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>KingofthePaupers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;North also writes about how people would say that they enjoyed participating in a LETS system at first, but then they sort of didn’t, they didn’t like the feeling of being indebted. Right? They didn’t like to have other things done for them because then they felt like they owed and they didn’t like to feel like they owed. So, trading gradually falls to zero.&quot;

Jct: This problem only occurs in systems where someone must go negative before someone else can go positive. It doesn&#039;t happen in Ithaca Hours where everyone starts with a positive. Also, consignment stores where members may drop off goods for sale carry the negative while the members walk out with the positive so this effect again is reduced. Anyway, people who give up because they don&#039;t like owing aren&#039;t in enough financial trouble yet, that&#039;s all. 

&quot;Linton has something called LETSplay&quot;

Jct: It teaches people how to trade with new chips, not how to run the poker chips.

&quot;I was a professional gambler for a number of years,&quot;

Jct: I still am after 35 years and I&#039;m still astounded how people who understand how poker chips work forget the moment you call it money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;North also writes about how people would say that they enjoyed participating in a LETS system at first, but then they sort of didn’t, they didn’t like the feeling of being indebted. Right? They didn’t like to have other things done for them because then they felt like they owed and they didn’t like to feel like they owed. So, trading gradually falls to zero.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jct: This problem only occurs in systems where someone must go negative before someone else can go positive. It doesn&#8217;t happen in Ithaca Hours where everyone starts with a positive. Also, consignment stores where members may drop off goods for sale carry the negative while the members walk out with the positive so this effect again is reduced. Anyway, people who give up because they don&#8217;t like owing aren&#8217;t in enough financial trouble yet, that&#8217;s all. </p>
<p>&#8220;Linton has something called LETSplay&#8221;</p>
<p>Jct: It teaches people how to trade with new chips, not how to run the poker chips.</p>
<p>&#8220;I was a professional gambler for a number of years,&#8221;</p>
<p>Jct: I still am after 35 years and I&#8217;m still astounded how people who understand how poker chips work forget the moment you call it money.</p>
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		<title>By: ASA Globalog :: Why don&#8217;t more people make their own money?</title>
		<link>http://thememorybank.co.uk/2009/11/21/conversation-about-money/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>ASA Globalog :: Why don&#8217;t more people make their own money?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] had to say about money until recently was the same old story. Bill Maurer, in our conversation on the politics, pragmatics and politics of money, sums up the story as [...]]]></description>
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